In this episode I sit down with the woman behind the theme song of Queens On A Roll, my aunt Valerie. We discuss different non-surgical treatment options for people with Cerebral Palsy. So Come Roll with us!
In this episode I sit down with the woman behind the theme song of Queens On A Roll, my aunt Valerie. We discuss different non-surgical treatment options for people with Cerebral Palsy. So Come Roll with us!
(Instrumental Music)
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(Instrumental Music & Singing) Queensss On A Roll
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(Instrumental Music & Singing) Yeahh Heyyy Queens On A Roll
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(Instrumental Music & Singing) Ooooo who Queens On A Roll
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(Instrumental Music & Singing) Powerful Queens On A Roll
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(Instrumental Music & Singing) Queensssss
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(Instrumental Music & Singing) Oooo who Queensss
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(Instrumental Music, Singing & Bell Chiming) Powerful Queens
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Hey, everyone!
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And welcome back to Queens On A Roll podcast.
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This is Latavia here.
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And today I brought the woman behind the song
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of Queens On A Roll, my Aunt Valerie.
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(Clapping sound)
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Hi All! Hi, everyone!!!
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I'm so glad that y'all like
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the Queens On A Roll song.
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And I'm trying to work on more for that song.
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So I'm grateful that y'all enjoyed it. Thank you.
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Auntie thank you.
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It's been a big hit.
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Everybody says they can still hear your
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song even after it goes off.
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So thank you for that. Today.
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I brought her on because she had some questions
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for me because the topic we're going to talk
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about today is treatment for cerebral palsy.
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And she said she always had some questions for me and she
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wanted to know what it was like for me and you know me
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being young at the time,
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I couldn't fully articulate it.
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So I said, why not do it on the podcast?
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So let's roll.
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(Instrumental Music)
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So first we're going to talk about some
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nonsurgical treatment options that will help some people
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with CP to deal with the condition.
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So the first is, of course, you know we all need physical,
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occupational, and sometimes for some of us, speech therapy.
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I needed all three just because I am
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a spastic quad, like I said before.
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So it affects my whole body.
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So I needed speech. I needed physical.
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I needed occupational currently.
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Now I need more physical therapy than
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anything else, which we'll get into that
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because you can't find it anywhere.
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The next thing that you can also do that is
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a non surgical treatment option is orthotics or braces
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So I've had a bunch of them in my lifetime. Amen.
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I've had the AFOs
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I've had the infamous A-frame.
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Auntie I don't know if you remember the A-frame. Yes, I do.
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It was the stick that was in the middle and
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two on the side that was like a splint.
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And I used to wonder how you know tolerated that.
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Oh That was hard because it was in the shape of an A guys.
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So it was in the shape of an A, had
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a bar in the middle, like my aunt said.
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And then your legs had straps.
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So you have one for your kneecap, one for the
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lower part of your leg, one for the thigh.
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And that was on each side of your leg.
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And then you had the pelvis strap so you could either sit
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up with it on the floor and it would lock you in
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that position so you could learn how to sit on the floor
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and play on the floor, or you could lay down.
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So my mom, her famous way of stretching me
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was locking the pelvis in the position where I
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could sit up and play on the floor.
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When I tell you that was painful, wow! that was
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painful because when you stretch it, honestly, feels
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like something is ripping off the bone.
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Like that's how tight it feels.
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So it hurts so let me ask
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the question not to cut you off. That's fine
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When you say tight and feeling like it was
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ripping off the bone, you could actually feel you
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can't feel that, but you could feel the tightness
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and you could feel the tendon and the muscle,
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like, pushing against the stretch.
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So as you stretch, you can feel
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me pulling in the opposite direction.
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So that's what I feel.
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So even now, like, if you do what
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we like to call hamstring stretches, and that's
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like, literally just holding your leg up in
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the air while you're holding one leg down.
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I'll feel pain behind the hamstrings.
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And it literally feels like my hamstring is pulling to
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retract while you're still pushing for it to go up.
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So it's still painful because my body wants
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to go in the opposite direction of the
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movement that you actually want to do.
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So it is very painful.
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I hated the A-frame, and you had
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to sleep in it every night. Yes
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Oh, my God.
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Yes, I remember you couldn't roll, you arguing
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with your mother, yelling and screaming.
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I tell you, it was something to see.
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But do you think it was all worth it now?
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It was helpful.
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It was helpful, definitely.
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Now, as an adult, I realize
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that all that stuff was very helpful.
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You don't realize that as a kid, because as a kid, you're
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like, Why do I have to go through all this?
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I don't know.
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What's the point of this?
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It's not gonna be worth it.
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But now that I'm an adult, I see that all those
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extra therapies and all that extra time was worth it.
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But it was definitely not easy.
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It wasn't easy at all.
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That A-frame was like, excuse my
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language, but hell, like I hated it.
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I hated it.
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I remember Latavia when your mom went out
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and bought a stroller, and your feet used
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to always stick out from the stroller.
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And I used to wonder what that was like for
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you, how your feet used to extend straight out.
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And I wondered if that was painful.
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I remember you screaming.
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I used to try to push your feet down,
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but when I tried to push them down, I
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felt the resistance, a resistance from trying to push them down.
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And I used to think, well, I don't want to
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break any bones or anything like that, but I want
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to know what that was like for you.
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Well the resistance you felt, Auntie, was my tone.
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That was my tone.
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And it wasn't so much that
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it was painful, but it's uncomfortable.
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So what you have to understand is that I'm
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used to being tight 24/7, 7 days a week, right?
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So when something feels loose or when something
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feels like not right, it is very uncomfortable.
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Like, imagine you're used to doing something
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every day a certain way, right?
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And then somebody comes and switches up the routine
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and says, no, no, no you got to do it this
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way, because this way is better for you right.
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So that's what it's like for me, right.
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Even now, I still have comfortable places that I like
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to sit, comfortable ways that I like to sit.
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And mom will be like, no, you can't sit like that. Oh yes
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I still hear it today.
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You can't sit like that.
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That's not right.
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That's not the right posture.
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You're going to create more problems
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for yourself in the long run.
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But it's not that I'm meaning to go that way. Right.
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But your tight muscles is pulling in
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one opposite direction because, remember, the brain
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isn't sending signals to the body.
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So all my tight muscles and tendons
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are controlling where my body goes.
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So the tight muscles are saying,
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you're weak on your right side.
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So if I'm weak on my right side, but I'm stronger on
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my left side, I'm going to tend to lean on the weaker
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side because I can't hold myself up on that side.
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So you have a lot of like, strong
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muscles competing with weak muscles with CP. Right.
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So underneath the tone, your muscle can be very weak,
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or underneath the tone, your muscle can be very strong.
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And so that's what tends to happen.
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So because I have some muscles that
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are stronger than others, it's like always
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a competition with inside my body.
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So back then at that time, it
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was that it was uncomfortable for me.
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Sticking my legs out was comfortable, and it felt
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good to me to stick them out like that.
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A lot of people would say, oh, I
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think that's uncomfortable, or don't you feel uncomfortable?
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But that was my normal.
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I didn't know any other way.
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So that was my normal.
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And here you come trying to change up my normal.
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So that was a lot of the back
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and forth, too, when I was younger.
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And again, I just didn't know how
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to articulate it the best way.
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But now that I'm older, like mom
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will even ask me these questions.
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And when I put it in that perspective,
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she's like, oh, I get it now. You know
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Now it makes sense.
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But this is why I love doing this and us
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coming together, because now I'm able to explain why it
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was so much pushback when I was younger.
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It wasn't so much me trying to be hard headed.
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It's also learning my body and
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learn what I was okay with.
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And sometimes that I have to be uncomfortable.
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I still struggle with that.
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Who wants to be uncomfortable sitting
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where they're sitting all day long?
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So I still struggle with balancing
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between being comfortable and being uncomfortable. Yes.
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Let me just interject for a moment and
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say this, that I can remember you crying.
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I also remember your mom crying a lot.
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And I was stuck between the two of you.
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I will say this, that you've come further
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than what the doctors can even perceive.
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And I think that that has a lot to do with faith.
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So yes, I agree with you, but I also think it
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has to do with my mom being a great advocator.
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So thank you, mom.
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And all the treatment options and surgeries they
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have out there for people with CP.
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And for those of you wondering if my legs still
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do stick out, no, they do not, thanks to straps
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that they have on my wheelchairs and things like that,
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they have these straps that tie your legs down.
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So over the years, because my legs have
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constantly been tied down, they just stay in.
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Now they don't stick out anymore.
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(Instrumental Music)
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So on to the next nonsurgical treatment option.
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And that is ankle foot
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orthotics or Supra-Malleolar orthotics.
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And the ankle foot orthotics is what I usually have. So
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And there's many different types.
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It depends on what you need at the time.
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So I remember when I started, I had the
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one that came all the way up to the
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kneecap and where your ankle would flex.
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So they had like a knee cap cover and that will push
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your knees back while you walk and the ankles would flex.
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So, you know, when you guys walk auntie your ankles, flex
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up and down with people with CP, they don't flex.
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So they put the strap, the chest strap, they call it a
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chest strap behind the brace and you can loosen it
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a little bit or you can tighten it where your
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foot doesn't move at all and flex forward.
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Or you can loosen it a little bit so
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that you can actually get the foot action of
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moving forward, moving back like the ankle moving.
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So I had that growing up and I had where they
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had the cover over the knee, so that helped push your
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knees back so you could walk a little bit more easier.
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But throughout high school, I had got really
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good with walking around and moving around.
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till as you get looser and you begin
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to gain more mobility, there are certain things
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you no longer need on the braces.
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So over the years, I got rid of the cap that
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goes over the knee cap to help your knee stay back.
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I probably need those again because when I
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walk, I Crouch down to the floor.
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But everything is always ever
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changing for people with CP.
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So it goes on like if you're strong or weaker now.
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And we'll discuss that in more
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detail in the next episode.
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So the super-Malleolar orthotics is just where
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they cover the foot and the ankle portion.
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So you ever see where kids just
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slide the braces into their shoe?
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They don't have like the brace that comes
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all the way up like I do. Yeah.
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So that one you just slip inside your
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shoe, keeps your ankle and foot in alignment.
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And that's the purpose of all the braces, to keep
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your foot in alignment, all the bones in alignment and
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to make sure that you could still have more mobility.
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I love my braces.
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When I say love, I mean love you guys.
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I love them because with Cerebral Palsy
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you have to deal with tone.
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So when I come out of my braces, my tone
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on my feet really kick in and they used to
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curl over like you know they would stick up straight.
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But now as I've gotten older,
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they curl underneath each other.
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So it is very painful.
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It's like a spasm so I like to keep them on.
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I do know some of my friends hate
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them, so it's all in like the preference.
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And I know some of my friends say that they hate them.
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It causes their feet to swell, and
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again, it goes back to that comfortability.
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It feels uncomfortable to them, but
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for me, they're very helpful.
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I love them.
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You also have the knee mobilizers.
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Now those are another dreaded option because they
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are like the A-frame auntie, except you don't
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have the bar in the middle anymore, right?
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So they just cover the entire thigh, the
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knee, all the way down to your foot,
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and you can't bend your leg at all.
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So I don't like wearing them because I feel like
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when I come out of them in the morning, I'm
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way more tighter than when I went in.
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And that's probably because my tone was fighting all
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night for my legs to curl up in a
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ball so I could go to sleep.
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And it is just very uncomfortable.
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So I still don't like wearing them.
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I'm trying to adjust to wearing them because as
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I've gotten older, I realized that I need them.
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(Cartoon Ascending sound)
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We also have walkers. Yay!!! So
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It's not the traditional Walker guys.
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It's like a posterior Walker where you have the
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two red handlebars and two wheels on the front
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and I have two Stoppers on the back.
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So I don't have wheels.
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Some people can have wheels and some people can
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have Stoppers on the back because I tend to
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use my arms more when I walk.
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The wheels on the back, it moves too
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freely for me and I can't control it.
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So they put Stoppers on the back and wheels on the
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front so that I have a little bit more stability.
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So I like that it's not the
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traditional Walker that you see elderly people
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with where they're able to sit down.
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There are some people that can
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walk with the walkers in front.
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I just tend to be the one that can't
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because I like to use my arms to walk.
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My upper body is stronger than my lower body, so I tend
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to use my arms more to walk than I do my legs.
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So I need that stability to
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hold on and keep myself upright.
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You also have standers
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Now I don't have one anymore, but I used
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to have a bunch of them throughout my childhood.
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And, boy, they weren't easy either, because like I
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said before, when going back to stretching, it literally
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feels like your body is pulling in the opposite
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direction of where you need to go.
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So the stretch was always, always, always, very intense.
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But I realized now as an adult again, this is like
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a theme that is coming up that is also very, very helpful.
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(Instrumental Music)
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We're gonna get into some
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more invasive non surgical treatment options.
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And I only say invasive
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because they're more injections.
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So they have Botox.
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Yes, I've been waiting oh, you've
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been waiting on the Botox.
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You've been waiting on the Botox.
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Is that because people now use it for cosmetic reasons?
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Yes, that is the exact reason that I wanted too.. I've been
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waiting so patiently for it because it does help
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some people with tightening their skin, certain parts of
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their skin that they want tighten.
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And whoever would have thought that it
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could be used as a non-invasive
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procedure to help people with cerebral palsy?
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It's Fun Fact Time Sound Effect
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You know, the interesting thing is, Auntie,
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that's what it started out for originally.
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It didn't start out for your cosmetic needs. Everyone.
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It started out as a treatment to help people with CP.
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(Beat Instrumental)
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So may I ask a question? Go ahead
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Would you recommend this to parents
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with small children or teenagers?
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Would you recommend the Botox for
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them to get for their children?
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Definitely, I definitely recommend Botox.
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Again, it's my personal preference.
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So everyone is different.
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So what I would say is if you have a
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teenager, maybe they're not that in tune to their body
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yet, but begin to ask them questions like, how does
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it feel to you when I do this?
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Or does it feel like you're too loose?
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Does it feel like you're too tight?
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What does it feel like to you and how can I help you?
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I think as I got older, that's what Mom did for
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me and she was like, okay, well, what works for you?
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Like, what do you like?
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Okay, I know you like this, but we
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still need to find an even keel balance.
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So for your teenagers, I would say invite them in
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on the treatment process and right that's like the biggest thing.
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Once they become a teenager, they have to
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start learning how to advocate for themselves.
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So it gives you good advocating skills too.
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So I would say bring them in on
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the treatment options when they're a teenager.
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When you're a child, as a parent, do what you
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feel is right for your child at that time because
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you know your child best, you know what your child
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needs, you know what they need at that moment and
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what is going to help them through.
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So as a parent with a little child, if you
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feel like Botox is going to help them and it's
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going to be beneficial for them, get it, do what
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you feel is right for your child at that time.
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For a teenager, I would say invite them in on
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the process so that they can start to learn their
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body and what they like from what they don't like
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and what will work and what doesn't work for them
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so that they can begin to start advocating for themselves.
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Yes.
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And I want to say also that this
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program is letting you know your options.
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When Latavia was coming up, her
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mother, she did the research.
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She searched around.
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But you don't have to do all of that
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with this program because we're informing you of the
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different options that you will have that you can
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possibly do that will help your child.
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Yes, most definitely.
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Most definitely.
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And I think this show also helps because
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you have it coming from a perspective of
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an adult who's living with CP. Correct.
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And you have it coming from many different
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angles because I've had some of my friends
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on who've had different experiences. Right.
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But we all live with CP, so that's
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what we aim to do on this show.
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So that's why I love it.
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And I forgot to mention that my
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advice is for children that are cognitive.
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You should always invite them in on
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the treatment plan when they're a teenager.
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And when they're young, children parents
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should always, always be involved.
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If your child is nonverbal, then
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you watch their facial expressions.
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But if they have no cognitive abilities at all, do what
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you feel is best for your child as the parent.
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(Instrumental Music)
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You also have the baclofin pump or the Baclofin pill
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Oh, talk about it, girl. Ok.
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So now the Baclofin pump was a no, no, for me. Ok.
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Because it is a surgery where they have
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to insert a device that delivers the medication
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called the Baclofin to the spinal cord.
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So for me, having a device under my
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skin was like, I'm not doing that.
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That's out the question.
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And back then, my mom didn't want me to take it
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either because it had a lot of complications and side effects.
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So I get to ask a question, what exactly is Baclofin?
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So Baclofin is a medication that reduces the
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spasticity and the tone of the muscles.
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So it's not as localized as Botox, because with
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Botox, you just inject it where you want it
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to go, which is why I love Botox, because
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you inject it where you need it.
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So it's more localized.
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But Baclofin relaxes all of the tight muscles
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in your body, which is why I tend to
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not enjoy the pill or the pump.
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I do have friends that love the pill and love the pump.
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I tend to find my friends that, like
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the pump, deal with spasticity all the time.
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And it's painful.
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They deal with a lot of spasms, too, because
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with CP comes a lot of spasms and spasticity.
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So they tend to deal with
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a lot of spasms and spasticity.
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So they rather just have the device there where
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they can deliver the medication to themselves when they
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need it and they're good to go. Right.
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And then I have people that love the pill, like
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Luis was on last week, and he says he loves
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the medicine because it makes him feel loose.
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He doesn't like feeling tight all day.
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But for me I don't like any of those options
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just because again my normal is to feel tight.
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So I don't like to feel loose because then I feel
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like I can't function and I can't move around and because
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I need to function and move around because I work.
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I don't like taking the pills.
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But I realize now that I'm older and an
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adult I may need to take it.
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So I just recently had my physiatrist prescribe it
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for me and I'm going to start taking it.
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I will let you guys know how I feel because
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I took baclofin back when I was like late
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teens and I was just like this isn't for me.
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I don't want to try it but I
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know now that I need to do something.
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So I will let you guys know how
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I feel when I start taking the pills.
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So stayed tuned
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(Instrumental Music)
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and now its time
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for the quote of the episode.
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So my aunt is going to leave us with the
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quote, whatever challenges you may have in life go forward.
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And that was a quote originated by her guys.
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(Clapping sound)
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So Auntie, why did you feel
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like that quote embodied this episode?
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Because we all have challenges in our lives
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and sometimes we may feel like going backwards.
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But know this going backwards is not
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an option so we keep pushing forward.
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Wow, that is so profound.
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Thank you so much, Auntie.
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(Instrumental Music)
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So that's all we have for you today, folks.
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